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I think there might be some levels of fat below that that are still pretty gross. I'm not nearly that fat, but I know I'm still unhealthy.

Fat acceptance and fat shaming are both pretty silly. I mean, I don't need anyone to tell me I'm fat. I know. I didn't wake up this morning suddenly very overweight.

I looked her up and her actual goal is to be the fattest woman in the world. Also a picture doesn't do her sheer girth justice.

As for the question, I think fat acceptance is wrong when it's the level of fat that can no longer be attributed to genetics. When someone can no longer move under their own power, and they don't want to make any effort to improve, then in my opinion they're fat sacks of shit. It baffles me how they can want to live like that. I mean hell my dad rides with one such person in the morning carpool and people on the freeway outright stare because her weight tilts the car.

Basically this yeah. (I'm really underweight though)

I really, really dislike how "fat activists" are trying to turn fat people into yet another victim group that needs special treatment. "Fat shaming" is the most ridiculous form of that. If you take personal offense when other people are promoting a healthy lifestyle, you're not giving others much reason to take you seriously.

Im honestly torn on the issue. On one hand, there is some pretty heavy cultural bias against fat people, but on the other, most of them got to that state by their own bad choices and then refused to deal with the consequences. If you have stuffed your face to the point where you cant walk properly, then you have made some pretty bad choices in life. But then there's the fat people who genuinely have medical issues that put them in that state, and its unfair to them. But yeah, we can probably state that obesity is not the state the human body is meant to be in.

I don't have a problem with fat people, (i am myself a 27.4 bmi) but I definitely think it's unhealthy at certain levels. I wouldn't even say you have to be morbidly obese for it to be unhealthy - I look very skinny in proper clothes but I still feel the effects my weight has on my body.

The only thing that really gets me about the fat acceptance movement is that they get livid if anyone mentions wanting to lose weight, or even just exercising for health.

(which aren't necessarily the same things, mind you)


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I dunno, I think fat shaming is pretty bad. Like Exeres said, people are aware of their weight. There's a point at which butting into someone's life with unsolicited health advice is very rude. It's not like pointing out how fat someone is does them any favor - it usually just makes them feel bad for a bit and then not change anything.

Probably because once youre fat, excersizing is painful, ridiculously so, and its a pain most people dont want to go through, no matter how good it is for you. Hell, just take running, all you need is to be a little out of shape for that to be painful and horrible.

Yeah but fat can be reduced by changing your eating habits. Sure it's not going to quickly and magically make you thin but it sure as heck would help.

I don't think fatness necessarily has much to do with exercise hurting, actually. Personally, I've only ever had issues with joints hurting because I don't use them enough. Of course, I can't speak for everyone. I'm only a bit fat, and I happen to be freakishly good at getting into good physical shape.

There's another thing I think fat activists have right, by the way. Fat isn't even necessarily out of shape. My weight doesn't change at all between points when I can run a mile without stopping or when I need a break after a hundred meters. Fat can be an indicator, but it's not the be-all-end-all.

True, but that would mean giving up nearly everything thats actually worth eating, which is an even bigger pain than working out.

One thing I dont think helps is that there's a lot of conflicting information on exactly what kind of diet you should have. Atkins apparently works, but I really cant see that being healthy, then there's no fat, or no salt, or no sugar, which is probably the most useful one. People want a magical cure for obesity, which simply doesnt exist. Fat people read about these things, and realize that, daisies, this means a dismal future of bland, boring food and painful excersize. Thus, we have angry people who think theyre actively being discriminated against.



You'll notice that most "fat activists" arent the people who are just pretty big, we're talking "motorized scooter fat", the ones who throw a hissy fit when McDonalds doesnt provide sidecarts so they can cart home their daily 50 big macs

Grudgingly accepted as a statement I can agree with, though we should try to phrase the discussion more politely.

I didnt mean that as an insult, I meant that as a thing Ive actually read about happening. Most of the fat activists are the ones who are not just overweight, but grotesquely so, and who eat enormous amounts of food, with little to no physical activity. Thats the whole problem, while cultural discrimination against obesity does exist to some extent, the ones who complain and demand that obesity should be treated like a disenfranchised minority, are the ones who ate themselves there by their own choice. The actual victims get lost in a shuffle of entitled whining.

The average food intake of a healthy person should have an equal split between protein, carbs, and vegetables/fruits. For those trying to be on a diet, the starches need to be dialed down and replaced with more of the other two groups.

This is the general concept for most diets that aren't weird about starving you off of something or insisting on smoothies or filler foods.

Now, breakfast usually is the meal you should have the most carbs, because you need a jumpstart for the day and your body doesn't like to dip into the fat reserves right off the bat without grumping at you. Dinner should be the meal with the least carbs, as you're easing yourself into the night, and any carbs absorbed will likely become fat unless you're active. You're better off burning fat at this time than anything.

Most diets fail because they take you from a comfortable routine and tell you to deny yourself things. No more carbs, lean meat, etc.

The main thing is controlling portion sizes. You can have fries, but have a third of what you'd normally have and have your burger without the bun. Going cold turkey usually does not have good results, at least not without some initial health issues.

The problem is that it's very hard to achieve this when carbs are often the cheapest foods available, and are extremely plentiful in things like fast food.



I think this is too much of a grotesque generalization about how the overweight are somehow assholes or boarish about their food. I've had more headaches with thin people talking about fat shaming than actual overweight people, and usually the people that I see throwing the biggest fits at fast food places are the people intent on counting carbs and calories and getting worked up because the salad dressing isn't fat-free or something. Certainly doesn't mean there aren't fat people who are assholes (there certainly are, and I've seen them), but I think when people think about what group is most likely to be general assholes about food, they immediately jump to morbidly obese wal-mart shopper mental images.

And I think that's part of what a lot of the fat activism (the stuff that isn't complete idiocy) is focused on.

Is it true that corn syrup is worse than sugar? Ive heard that, but cant seem to find any confirmation.

Actually some studies are showing that eating more in the evening than in the morning is better for losing weight.

http://www.huji.ac.il/cgi-bin/dovrut/do ... 5005872560

They got the idea for the study by looking at the Muslim holiday Ramadan, where Muslims don't eat until sunset whereupon they consume high-carb food.

Also corn syrup, high fructose corn syrup, cane sugar, and just plain sugar have zero difference. It all gets processed into glucose because the body doesn't care.