AWKWARD ZOMBIE

I have a solution.

This was on imgur tonight, I thought I'd share it, and asked what you all thought of this person's view; I agree with them, a side that uses facts, and doesn't defend itself with the religion card.

Bodily autonomy is a rule that I've known about for a while now and it basically reinforced my position as a pro-choicer. If people have to have our consent to use our bodies after we die, then a fetus needs consent to use a woman's uterus before it is born.

I've become rather apathetic about the whole "pro-life vs. pro-choice" debate to be honest. It happened right around the time I was at a friend's house, and the conversation eventually became a circle jerk to make fun of this one girl for a paper she wrote on pro-life.

Two things that still get me, though, is when people try to promote the pro-choice point of view by saying that the fetus is neither alive, nor human.

What's more, should one really forcibly subject a child to an existence where for at least the first eighteen years of it, they're likely resented or otherwise ill-cared for? Situations like that are potentially just as harmful for the child as they are the parent.


I mean, don't get me wrong. I still wish abortion wasn't a thing. but I've kind of come to the conclusion that it's going to happen regardless, and there are certain times where it has reason.

The abortion debate is basically unsolvable. It just comes down to which side has the most support. If you honestly, HONESTLY, belive that a fetus has a soul or whatever, then no arguments on Earth are going to sway you.

Pro-life people are more about being anti-woman than pro-life.

I can't help but feel that that's just as negative a stereotype as pro-choice people being irresponsible sex maniacs.

Every pro-life politician doesn't seem to have a problem with war and capital punishment, at any rate.

Okay, bear in mind, doesn't really make sense to assume that they're all anti-woman when just as many people who consider themselves pro-life are women. Not all republicans are old white dudes. they're just the ones in office.

Women can be anti-sex just as well as any Man.

Okay, but that's different. That's just having an unrealistic standard, not directly attacking half the population.

my stance on abortion is "let's keep it legal until we develop perfect contraception and have it available to everyone"

Can I get a little more background on the Bodily Autonomy concept?

It seems pretty self-evident at first glance, but how is the idea backed up? Basically, why are basic human rights limited for those who depend on another body for their survival? And at what point does that dependency move to being independent? One could argue that because a human newborn baby cannot survive without some other human's assistance, it doesn't have bodily autonomy either. You could also extend that idea to people on life support or are otherwise injured - does the hospital have the inherent right to kick them out for using their resources?

So here's my logic, saint.

A hospital is not a person. Therefore, a hospital does not have bodily autonomy and it cannot consent. Additionally hospitals make cheddar by caring for patients, and I'm pretty sure that applies to patients on life support too, so there's no profit for hospitals to kick someone out.

A baby is a person and therefore it has bodily autonomy but it neither understands the concept nor is it capable of giving consent. Theoretically a child's parent(s) would consent to having the baby in their care, and if they stopped giving consent they could adopt the kid out to someone who WOULD consent.

But a parent/child relationship doesn't count as bodily autonomy in my book.

Bodily autonomy means that someone can't use your BODY without your constant consent. You have the right to your body, and no one else can make you do things with your body. It's why a father isn't obligated to donate bone marrow to an ailing child, and it's why people have to consent to being an organ donor when they die. If you don't sign up to be an organ donor, then your body may not be used for anything after you die.

A human fetus is using the mother's uterus. The fetus can't survive outside the mother's body, and it gets all of its' nutrients from the mother. In that sense it's by definition a parasite that the mother consents to having inside her. If the mother does not consent, she should not be OBLIGATED to let the fetus use her body. She should be able to take the fetus out.

And in that sense, not allowing a woman to have an abortion means that a corpse currently has more rights to its own body than the mother does.