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 Post subject: Re: Taboo Topics (Heavily moderated)
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 8:56 pm 
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Other than religion, do you have a valid reason to dislike homosexuality?

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 Post subject: Re: Taboo Topics (Heavily moderated)
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be nice to the newbie

newbie, be more stern about your points. if you don't support gay marriage, make valid points as to why

everybody else, be fair. remember how you were when you were new

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:07 pm 
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Any sort of "valid" argument against same-sex marriage that tends to be trotted out (slippery slope, unable to properly raise kids, etc.) have been consistently proven to be full of shit anyway.

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I have a story of a circumcision going HORRIBLY WRONG.

When my male cousin was born, my aunt had decided to get him circumcised, for really no reason I can remember besides the fact that the doctors told her so and it was free anyways. But in the process of them doing so, the doctors had messed up , and had BURNT off the tip of my cousins "weewee". Now this left him in AGONY, he could not urinate and he had to wear a sort of cast over it until it healed, which I maybe think took two years?

My mom had to take care of him because my aunt couldn't handle doing it.

This is why I don't discriminate when it comes to someones tender parts, I'm not about to tell someone they can or cannot have parts.

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Operation Awesome wrote:
Any sort of "valid" argument against same-sex marriage that tends to be trotted out (slippery slope, unable to properly raise kids, etc.) have been consistently proven to be full of shit anyway.


regardless, give him a chance to assert his opinions and calmly retort back with your own

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Hello new forum member, I am also a Christian and I support gay marriage. Out of curiosity, how much of the bible have you read and studied? I haven't studied it as much as I would like to, but I've found no reason to be against the LGBT community based on what I have seen in the books.

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Yeah, same here.
I've always came away with the message of "Love your neighbor"

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So I got a question for you: if the bible said being gay was like, super duper holy everyone should go down the homo path, would you still be against it? Is the bible the only reason you're against being gay? The bible also says not to eat shellfish, are you against shellfish too? You gotta have a reason behind it besides someone telling you so.

Also, lose the neon green text, dude. It's an eyesore.

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 Post subject: Re: Taboo Topics (Heavily moderated)
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:09 pm 
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I left to get food... :shock:

Ok, I wasn't thinking I would be supporting an argument, I just felt I would tell about myself...

Anyways, let me restate my opinion. I do not dislike homosexuals, or what you/they feel. Personally, I do not agree with it, but I will not in anyway hate you, dislike you for it, try to make you change, etc.

Religion wise, I don't know how much there really is. I go to church weekly, but it isn't a topic people tend to discuss. I didn't think me saying I didn't agree with it would cause this much trouble.

I do believe, however, that there are somethings that would require a feminine motherly figure, and some that would require a fatherly figure. I am not wanting to argue, and I misunderstood the purpose of this thread... I just want you to know about me.

I guess... I grew up learning that it was wrong, but not to be hated. Mildly because of religion... but... hm.

I learned that God put Man and Woman to be together. However, I know many of you are not Christian, and many more are probably Atheist/Agnostic, and I won't ask you to change. It is your life, and even though I would like you to be Christians, I will not spam you constantly about it. I know of some Gay Christians, and I have never heard from non-westboro that being gay is seen as hated by god, or even that it is a sin.

The bible is not the only reason I am against it... I fully support it, but that does not mean... hrm. It doesn't say much about it, just that man and woman should be together, but not that it is a sin to be with your own sex.

If it said it was right, I would probably do it... but that's tough. It's hard to know if I would based upon how I've just... always liked girls. I would probably stick with the Bible though.

Just, personally, I do not see it as right. I do not dislike the people, just the concept...? The few gay people I do know... don't really make you/they look good... I know not all are bad, but some in high school will not shut up about it. No offense.

Basically, you won't see me trashing anyone, gay or not. However, you probably won't see me cheering about Gay Marriage being passed. That is all.

If there is anything else I left out, let me know. I wasn't trying to 'state my points' as to why.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:17 pm 
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I think a large part of the debate resides in whether or not you think marriage should be recognized primarily by social institutions like religion, or governmental institutions. It has gone through phases in both areas throughout history and cultures. So essentially, the church doesn't have to like it, as long as the LGBT individuals are pop flyin' with a state-recognized marriage, and don't care what the church thinks. At the same time, the people who think that only the church-based marriages "count" shouldn't be getting all pissy, because the church doesn't have to be involved in the marriage that it might disagree with.

It's kind of like how you don't need to be religious to get married.


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 Post subject: Re: Taboo Topics (Heavily moderated)
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:18 pm 
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It's helpful to read the OP of a thread before choosing to post in it even if the title seems to suggest it's the appropriate place for your message. Taboo Topics is less a place to just mention things or beliefs you or others might find taboo, and more a place for debate and serious discussion about a particular topic so that the subject at hand won't derail other threads. So, while I suppose you can choose to simply leave this particular subject to go where it will without contributing further (and that is an option) it's best to expect that anything you post here, especially something sensitive in nature, will lead to debate or at least someone asking you to defend what you're saying-- in the sense of "give me a reason" rather than "act defensively," I mean.

That said if you would like to discuss religion this would be the best thread to do it in.

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 Post subject: Re: Taboo Topics (Heavily moderated)
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:19 pm 
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ObitoUchiha wrote:
Ok, I wasn't thinking I would be supporting an argument, I just felt I would tell about myself...

Bro this is pretty much the thread where people argue about stuff. Not really the place to air out what you believe without getting questioned about it. If you don't want to get into your personal beliefs with a bunch of internet strangers it'd probably be best just to drop it

If you think you'd like to have a conversation about it though, by all means go for it

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 Post subject: Re: Taboo Topics (Heavily moderated)
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:22 pm 
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Ok then...

Well... I won't sign a petition, but I will not rally against it. The reasons for that were in my last post. No hate, but no excess help... on THAT matter.... most likely. Possibly under very specific circumstances.

Also, I REALIZE NOW. THIS IS INDEED FOR ARGUING. However, I do not wish to argue. I have learned, I will post, and I will leave.

I misunderstood, and presented an argument, but I am unsure if I wish to continue with it. I do not feel I have lost as I have gotten no rebuttal, but that I do not wish to fight.


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 Post subject: Re: Taboo Topics (Heavily moderated)
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:27 pm 
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Nobody's making you argue, we're just letting you know. For that matter, debate and argument are pretty different things, so you can't really "lose" in this thread, and nobody's trying to "win," it's more about making someone seriously evaluate something they've said and exposing yourself to a few different points of view.

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 Post subject: Re: Taboo Topics (Heavily moderated)
PostPosted: Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:34 pm 
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I'm not going to get into a big debate with you, since you said you don't want to argue.

However, there is something you said that stood out to me a little more than just 'I don't support it'.

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I do believe, however, that there are somethings that would require a feminine motherly figure, and some that would require a fatherly figure.


So what's your opinion of single parents, then? Some of them are single due to circumstances they can't control. Are they not just as qualified to parent a child as two parents would be?

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