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I wouldn't be too fussed about being made fun of as a christian. The religion as a whole has been fractured into so many parts they might actually be making fun of you for something you don't believe in.

I passed over these earlier because we were on another topic (and also I had to leave for Christmas dinner), but I'm opposed to this kind of attitude because it places the blame on who is offended, rather than who was offensive and why. The ideal situation is not that no one would get offended, but that no one would BE offensive. Whether or not you're trying to be offensive doesn't change the fact that sometimes you just are.

You just took semantics out of my comment to reiterate my entire point.

I'm seriously confused on whether I should be annoyed, or relieved.

As for the first comment, no that's not the point of that one at all. The point was that blame is to be placed on the person being offensive, but at the end of the day the only person you have complete control over is yourself. So with that, if you can't change them, change yourself. You wouldn't believe how many offensive ideas I have to brush off because I understand it was just a joke. Overall it's a suggestion to remove drama from a situation, and in all honesty if you stop feeling offended by certain things, then you don't feel the pain associated with feeling offended. Another solution is just avoiding the situation entirely, and cutting ties with that person if they won't stop being offensive. That can be difficult for long term friendships, though.

But to say "you have complete control over yourself" is still suggesting it's your fault for not bottling up your offense. It's nice that you can not be pained by things if you just ignore them, but it's not that way for everyone. Offensive jokes perpetuate the harmful ideas and attitudes they represent, and shouldn't be approached with "if you can't beat em, join em."

Though I do agree that cutting ties is a legitimate solution if you can go through with it. Nobody is obligated to associate themselves with somebody that makes them feel hurt or uncomfortable.

I think you're right in saying that the problem is the person being offensive, not the person being offended. If someone is making discriminatory remarks against Christianity they are still discriminatory.

Sure, Christians may be super privileged and not really know real 'persecution' but it doesn't mean the other person isn't being a dick, right?

That said though, you'll find the pity party to be rather small. So, as Reyo said, there's not much else you can do other than distance yourself from that person and their attitude.

It's more an option for when all else fails, if at the end of the day you still think you don't have control over the situation. Technically you can say the same thing about cutting ties (yeah you never feel pain if you never socialize, but then you have to deal with the loneliness). My own friends are an example of that. We all rag. On each other from time to time, and I dealt with it by developing thicker skin. There were no feelings of "well it's my fault that it's happening, so I better change" it was more "it's probably good natured anyway, so schuffing it off and joining it would make the situation better."

That's why I asked if it was legitimate bullying, or just good natured fun.

Can we just leave it at "anyone who knowingly causes someone else discomfort is rude"? Because at this point, you guys are talking in circles.
Sure, in the western first world, it usually might not be dangerous or permanently detrimental to a Christian. There are many places where it is.
In the western first world it could be dangerous or permanently detrimental to a Muslim. There are many places where it is not. The same could be said for the various sections of any religion toward another section.

Every group is a majority somewhere, and a minority somewhere else. Yes, bad things have been done claiming the name of Christianity before. Bad things have also been done claiming the name of any institution. Be it political, economical, religious or social. I'm not saying that makes any of those bad things okay, just because everyone else did it too. But people need to stop singling out any one faith as being a problem. This goes for "Christians" that are bigoted jackasses, the "Muslims" that are also essentially bigoted jackasses, and the atheists that take every opportunity to be an asshole and call anyone of any faith stupid. (I know there are more than those three groups, but those are the ones that come to mind most readily)

It's bad to knowingly say mean things to someone, okay? Doesn't matter what their socioeconomic status is, or their faith/philosophy. I am somewhat concerned that people are taking the revenge excuse. This is veering dangerously into tumblr "check yo privilege" territory.

EDIT: For some reason, the last couple of comments before mine didn't load until after I posted. So this is more directed at the parts of the conversation between Reyo and Stranger, and whenever Unba jumped in there.

No one says its okay, but I am more likely to feel sorry for the disenfranchised minority, than the privileged majority, in whatever given area it is.

PSA:

There is nothing wrong with otherkin. It is not okay to call them crazy and say they are having delusions. They have full knowledge of the fact that they are in a human body and don't need you to hammer that into their heads again and again.

Making fun of people maliciously is something that should be avoided in general

However, when someone compares their true form being a sparkledragon or a homestuck troll or whatever and tries to claim that they're just as oppressed as trans* folk or homosexuals they DO need to be given some perspective

When you honestly, HONESTLY, belive you are a different species in a human body, that is a delusion. It isnt like being gay or trans, groups that face genuine opression and disenfracnhisment, its just delusional fantasies taken too far.

That, and there's a lot of kids who say they're an xyz in a human body just to try and get out of responsibility.

That is true Glocktor, in general otherkin aren't as oppressed, though it is for certain reasons that the other groups don't have. Like, for example, most criticisms about them are contained to the internet because most people aren't even aware otherkin are a thing, and most otherkin don't come out of the kin-closet in real life because it's less likely to be accepted than the other things you listed. Also, just about every abuse towards otherkin isn't technically "otherkin oppression", but is actually ableism (oppression for them being "mentally disabled" or "crazy").


Many people believe that being gay or trans is a delusion, how is it any different? Plus, otherkin don't face widespread oppression for the same reason I stated above: many people just plain don't believe otherkin exist or that they're telling the truth, and fail to see that dismissing their experiences like that is itself oppression.


What do you mean? Do you have any actual examples other than just thinking this?

Because being gay or trans have biological and genetic causes? You're born gay, you arent born thinking youre a sparkle dragon

Nobody is born believing in a religion. Does that mean all religions are invalid?