AWKWARD ZOMBIE

We need a thread specifically for "this isn't the thread to have this discussion" type discussions that end up here. Something like a "The thread to discuss this topic" thread.

Also, what kind of death movies is it exactly? I don't know if this has already been established, but I mean is it just old guys dieing in their sleep or are we talking full on murder action like in untraceable?

It's usually from accidents. It's similar to other shock videos/sites I think, but there probably are people with morbid fascination.

Like Cannibal Holocaust

I once happened upon a reddit post about a family of cannibals that were caught, and they had some photos of some cooked meat and body parts in some buckets found around their home. Then for some reason I read some peoples' comments on it and there were conversations about how some of them have actually eaten human meat, things like a friend working in a morgue and taking home a piece of fresh bicep meat and stuff, and I was like "NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE"

Shit's taboo. It may be taboo for purely social reasons and nothing really physical, but still. NOPE!

You gotta imagine that when animals hunt, even if it's to eat one of their own (I'm looking at YOU spiders!) they hunt to be the thing that kills their food. So if we want to emulate the animals to justify cannibalism, we'd have to circumvent this pesky little thing called MURDER, which is taboo for some very physical reasons. Or we can choose to eat people who have died, but then there's the issue of "Oh well how did they die? Was it contagious? Was it genetic?" Or we can eat only the healthiest of people who have died "for mysterious reasons", but those people tend to have families that might be against that sort of thing happening to their son/daughter/husband/whathaveyou. Or we can eat the homeless...where...I think there was a book on that...I have it around here somewhere...nope, can't find it...

Whole thing has a very "white glove society" feel to it.

Could have sworn there was a particular disease gotten from eating human flesh that destroys the brain.

I got curious and it seems to me you're referring to Kuru, which spread through cannibalism in one particular tribe.

At least, that's one example of a disease which spread via cannibalism.

If I recall correctly, you only get it from eating someone's nervous tissue, which is something we don't even do with animals. It has something to do with a protein found primarily in the brain.

Any ideas on why cannabalism is such a disgusting thing? (No, I'm not planning to justify cannabalism, just trying to salvage some in-depth discussion)

From an evolutionary perspective, cannabalism doesn't make a whole lot of sense for humans because we're a society-oriented species - our strengths lie in working together and forming relationships. When you eat other humans that creates a lot of problems for forming allies, not only with the deceased person but with their relatives or friends, though really that falls under murder more than anything else.

Cannabalism has a special taboo, I think, because not only did you kill a person (which could have been done out of anger against them or some similar reason), but you killed them in order to use their body as a resource. You didn't see them as a person, you saw them as food. Nobody likes to be seen as food.

Cannibalism is dangerous-- it can result in the body's production of prions, which are unnaturally malformed proteins. They are breathtakingly dangerous and completely lethal. Unlike living and viral pathogens, prions cannot be deformed/killed by heat, no matter how extreme, nor extreme cold, destroyed by any known chemical or chemical cocktail, or medicated against, and like zombies, they begin to deform other proteins they come in contact with to produce even more prions.They can also be passed from species to species in some cases-- Mad Cow disease is caused by prions, and Creutzfeldt-Jakob is the resulting disease when humans ingest infected beef (aka "human mad cow disease"). This is why mad cow is so breathtakingly dangerous, and results in entire herds being culled and burned with the ground around them-- even ONE prion making its way into another living host could mean an unstoppable epidemic. There are regulations concerning quarantine of the purged ground and handling of workers meant to ensure that prions have no chance to enter another host.

Kuru, which was mentioned, and CJD, result in:

* Kuru: Symptoms after a latency of 5-20 years include an unsteady stance and gait, decreased muscle control, tremors, deterioration of speech and dysarthria (slurred speech), progressing to include being incapable of walking without support, ataxia (loss of muscle coordination) and severe tremors. At this stage the victim is emotionally unstable with uncontrolled sporadic laughter. In the final stages of the disease, the patient is incapable of sitting without support, suffers severe ataxia (no muscle coordination), is unable to speak, is incontinent, has dysphagia (difficulty swallowing), is unresponsive to their surroundings, and acquires ulcerations (sores with pus and necrosis).

*CJD: The first symptoms include rapidly progressive dementia, leading to memory loss, personality changes and hallucinations, speech impairment, jerky movements, balance and coordination dysfunction, changes in gait, rigid posture, and seizures. The duration of the disease can vary, but non-genetic (aka acquired) CJD can be fatal within months or even weeks. Most victims die six months after initial symptoms appear, and about 15% of patients survive two or more years. I don't think there are many, if any, documented cases of anyone surviving the disease to die of natural causes. It is incurable.

Like all prion diseases, kuru and CJD are types of "spongiform encephalopathy"-- meaning "holes in the brain" or "spongelike brain" because the prions essentially eat through the brain's tissues, leaving it spongy and irreparably damaged.

It is primarily caused in non-genetic cases by eating nervous tissue, but can be caused by cannibalism in general, or by eating infected meat in general.

Additional results of cannibalism, however, can indeed include non-prion caused mental disturbances independent of social or emotional response to the act itself, as well as jaundice, a greatly increased risk of nutritional disorders like rickets, and other things. We are not very nutritious-- after all, all of the nutrients a human would need to be getting from food are used by the prey human, therefore none remain in the flesh to be utilized. Certainly if you're trapped on a mountain and the only way to live is to eat your dead climbing partner, it's better than nothing and you should probably do it if you want to survive-- but as a way of life and a norm, let alone a major food group, it's a terrible idea, and the more widespread the practice is, the more exponentially great the risk becomes, statistically.

Re: More tumblr related stuff, this time the lastest quote about Jenn in the Screencap thread. Also whoops doublepost?

PLEASE KEEP IN MIND I'M NOT ARGUING THAT DISORDERS OR TRIGGERS ARE INVALID, ATTENTION-SEEKING OR OTHERWISE FABRICATED. This isn't about that, believe.

I think I know why people like Jenn bother me, and it's got nothing to do with me being "ableist." It's because of this growing idea that because you can blame a behavior on a condition, you should, and don't have to do anything at all to help yourself or avoid hurting others. I almost can't tell if Jenn is just an extremely dedicated troll of some kind.

Let's say that Jenn does have other people in her but that AREN'T part of DID, a real and documented medical condition that many people deal with normally and healthily every day, and that her condition is likewise real and completely medical. Maybe it is. That last part itself is what is wrong with her behavior, though, and the behavior of people like her-- the act of saying that because they have a condition, they are entitled to act without any form of regard for others or maturity and have no obligation to be aware of their own behavior.

But that's not okay; my dad has bi polar disorder, and it's hard for him to control at times, even with powerful medication and consuming hobbies to distract him. Does that make it okay when he does explode into violent screaming fits because someone moved an envelope to the other side of the table, or left a single cup in the sink, or even because of bodaciously nothing at all? Is it okay that when he does that, he directs it at whoever is nearby, slams and breaks objects, insults people and howls that others are being bitches/dicks for not letting him act however he feels like at those times? I've often had to deal with his fits completely alone in my life, and as an adult, I've had the courage and control to try reasoning with him when he's like that-- and he's said to me, with complete, petulant sincerity, that it isn't fair of me to ask him to control his own behavior. That's with his medication; I don't want to talk about what he was like without it, when I was very young. He's not physically striking or harming anyone when he's like that; we're never in "real" danger of him directly assaulting us. But I don't think anyone would reasonably say that's okay, mature, or even safe, bi polar disorder or not, actual striking or not.

But people like Jenn take it a step further-- they not only demand in complete seriousness that others cater to every completely uncontrolled fit they throw and then blame on a (often self-diagnosed or dubious) condition, they then demand to be comforted and patted on the back and coddled and loved after they carelessly lose control and hurt the people around them. After all, because the condition itself isn't their fault, absolutely any negative behavior from them can't be their fault either, right?

Having any condition that can affect others is a two-way street as far as responsibility and compassion are concerned. It is on others to understand that you may have unusual physical or emotional needs they need to be aware of and help you with. But it's on the sufferer to be proactive about being aware of what they are doing and how it affects others, and to seek ways (using self-therapy, counseling or medication) to control their behavior and be healthy and safe about how they handle things. Hell, that extends to non-medical conditions, too. If someone has particular powerful feelings about a subject (aka "triggering" feelings), it's their responsibility to let others know in a respectful way, and for others to return that respect by working with them to help them come to terms with it, find better ways to communicate that make the other person comfortable, or avoid subjects when that person is around, if that's their preference.

However, I dislike "triggers" as a term mostly because the vast majority of people use them, yet again, to say "MY FEELINGS ARE SPECIAL AND YOU ALL HAVE TO GLORIFY ME FOR IT! IT'S NOT MY RESPONSIBILITY TO BE MATURE ABOUT MY EMOTIONS AND HOW I EXPRESS THEM!" Are some people genuinely triggered by descriptions and discussions about rape, and other subjects? Absolutely! My mother is, for reasons I won't discuss but are probably easy enough to guess. But guess what? Despite what happened to her, she doesn't throw an out of control fit when someone says the word "rape" or discusses rape as a cause for social reform, and when she does get visibly upset, she doesn't go out of her way to take it out on others. All she asks for is some understanding and care when discussing the subject. And that's reasonable. It's also, like I said, reasonable to ask others to simply not discuss it. That's okay! But using your feelings as a weapon isn't okay, and ideally, people who are triggered by something work not to be anymore; by working yourself into a violently emotional frenzy every time you see a subject you are upset by, you're not healing, or working past what happened to you or a loved one. You're giving it more power over you; you're letting it rule you, and stay a source of terror and sadness in your life. So while I absolutely completely definitely feel others need to be caring and compassionate towards those with special emotional, social or mental needs, the person themself should be working toward healing and stability. I want others to be pop flyin', I want others to be safe, and I know how easy it is to let fear and anxiety rule you.

It's hard. I understand that. It's been monstrously hard for me, certainly, and I'm frankly just not even close to being free of a lot of my problems. But maybe that's part of what frustrates me so much, too-- my whole life, I was kicked around and harmed for not being normal enough, despite going out of my way to control and conceal my disorders as strictly as possible, and despite other people knowing I had them-- and yet now, it seems both "popular" and "cool" with certain groups to be utterly out of control and selfish about problems like mine. Maybe it's overcompensating for experiences they've had that were like mine; now that they're adults and disorders are more accepted as real, they've gone the other direction with it to make up for all the hiding and guilt and shame they felt before. But that's not right, either, and I hope that eventually everyone understands the kind of two-way compassion it takes to help someone through their problems. The phrase "It takes a village to raise a child" is applicable to all kinds of things, and I think it's applicable to that, too. In order for real change and positive progress to be made, I think we're all going to have to give just a little and try to be more understanding of others.

Ok, honestly, as someone who has at least one very serious trigger that I've hinted to on this forum, but not outright said, I am seriously taking offense that you're suggesting that it's outright wrong for someone experiencing trigger symptoms to become extremely emotional and have a fit. Yes, there are some fakers out there that use it as a weapon, but that's not what I'm talking about. Just because your mom is able to keep herself calm when she experiences triggers, does not mean everyone does. Some of us do get wildly emotional when we're triggered and despite what you say, no it isn't our fault, and no it's not so simple to just 'stay calm' and control ourselves. Good for your mom, but if she's the only thing you have to go by, that's like saying all autistics are high-functioning ones.

Do you know why many people who have triggers react to them so explosively? As you are speaking from an outside view, you most likely don't. Allow me to explain. First off, it is called a "trigger" for a reason. What happens when triggers are pulled?" Usually something explosive. That's the imagery that is supposed to be called into your mind at the word. To be careful pulling triggers or something might explode. Triggers are directly related to PTSD(post traumatic stress disorder). A quick example is the "vietnam flashbacks" metaphor people use a lot when people explain that their mind is taken suddenly back into troubling memories and are temporarily dislocated from reality.

In most cases, when a trigger is pulled, the person being triggered is pulled back into the memories, and in a way it's almost like reliving the experience all over again. Reality is warped in the mind of the triggered, melding with the traumatic memories that gave them PTSD in the first place. It is a complete horrible experience, and good for you mom for being able to go through that calmly if that's what her trigger experiences are like, but a lot of people cannot cope with the lucid imagery, the ghost pains, the fear they felt, the anger, the disgust, the shame, the regret and sorrow, the entire horrible experience coming back to them in a flash. A lot of people cannot deal with that without getting extremely emotional and throwing a fit. And not everyone who is triggered has someone they can fall back to to talk soothingly to them, tell them it's gonna be okay, that it's over, that it's not real anymore, that he's gone and isn't going to hurt you again, to to coax you back to the relatively safer and relatively less painful reality. I, luckily, have someone like that. And while I do tend to react explosively and extremely emotionally at being triggered, I do try to fire off a quick message to the person who triggered me to stop without getting too inflammatory but it's very, very hard. If I don't think I can without screaming at them, I have a friend do it for me while I cry and scream into their shoulder instead. Because being triggered fucking hurts, pardon my french. It hurts emotionally and mentally and physically.

Not everyone reacts to triggers the same way, and the experience tends to very from person to person but usually has the same core experience. But if you do not have PTSD and you do not have triggers, by God, don't you dare think you can police how we react to what triggers us. If you think you can, in my opinion, you should be ashamed of yourself.



Forgive me if I made typos/if my sentences came out weird, my hands started shaking pretty badly while I wrote this.

How is her perspective an outside view?

Considering that paragraph you just posted was more in regard to the people who use their disorders/fake disorders as a way to be tumblr popular and to get pats on the back, and that she used her mom and not herself as an example in her paragraph that was specifically about triggers, along with the general attitude she put off that it's unacceptable to respond extremely emotionally to triggers which is a very rude and policing thing to do. It gives the impression that her view is an outsider one towards people who have legitimate serious triggers, of which I am one and I can say for a fact it is an extremely painful experience mentally, physically, and emotionally and it is not something someone can just walk up to and say "You're doing it wrong, you need to be calmer about it next time." Like I said it is directly related to PTSD, and like everything else involved in PTSD it takes decades of therapy to even be able to be more calm about the entire experience, and you will never, ever fully get over it in your lifetime because experiences that cause severe PTSD and triggers are those that change you to the very core.

My personal opinion is that if you're having an issue that is completely personal, that it is 100% your responsibility to take care of them. Yes, you can ask for help if you feel that it may be too much, but at the same time people who ask for help are doing so because they're being proactive about whatever it is putting them in some undesirable condition. Now, I'm the first one to make ridiculous jokes about controversial subjects. I do so because, as a species, humor was invented as a form to express control, and if I joke about them, it's not as scary, or uncontrollable a thing. This happens with things like rape, and bi-polar disorder. Humor makes otherwise scary things less scary to ease the process of either healing or moving on. Now, with that, I understand that some subjects are just THAT touchy for some people. I respect that. If I joke about something like that, or even discuss it, and someone says in a calm fashion "Hey, can we not do that." I respect it. If I then continue it, I am an asshole. I understand that. Now if I'm casually talking about it, and someone gets in my face, my first thought is usually "get the fuck out of my face". That's only normal. When things start off like that, they usually don't get very civilized at a quickened pace, unlike the previous example, where it starts at that level of civility.

Now you have bi-polar disorder, or you get extremely uncomfortable when someone says the word "epilepsy" (I'm gonna refrain from the r-word for a while). That's not your fault...but at the same time it's not my fault either. Nor is it your relative's fault. Nor is it that guy's fault way over there. They don't deserve to be a part of your shit any more that you deserve to be a part of your shit. So then why is it that you get a free pass to freak out? Because you have the condition? So you're punishing people for something they neither caused, nor have control over because your life sucks. You know what else sucks? Life. No, you're not allowed to NOT have problems just because other people have problems, but I daisies well know that you're not the only guy with bi-polar disorder, and given the fact that there's not a report every week about a guy murdering someone in a "bi-polar rage" those other people must be doing SOMETHING to keep it at bay. If they can, why can't you?

Now if you have a problem, like the simple act of the guy next to you saying the word "abortion" makes you go in a homicidal rage, then you need fucken help. If you need fucken help, and you're not doing anything to get that help, then you have no sympathy. Normal people, when they recognize they have a problem, seek help. Or is it not a problem? If so, why is there this discussion? Things that are "not a problem" but still stressful include things like a PT test, or a midterm. They're "not a problem" because when people casually talk about midterms, or PT tests, I don't go in a rage. If I did, I'd go to one of my psych professors about why the word "midterm" is making me want to strangle the guy next to me. It's not a problem though, so I don't bother people with it.

Now I was recently reminded of a topic in evolutionary biology that is bodaciously introduced as the primary driving factor in all decisions made my any given organism. It's "move, adapt, or die." bodaciously, anything that happens...ever boils down to those three choices. You can either remove yourself from the situation completely, overcome it, or lie down and die. Now given modern civilization very few things ever have to boil down to the "die" option, but the remaining two still apply. You're faced with an undesirable situation you can either remove it as a problem, or deal with it. If you're getting a bad grade in a class, you either drop the class completely, or work to do better in it. That situation can bodaciously be anything, like bi-polar disorder, or having a trigger. So you can either make it to where it no longer exists as a problem, which I'm told is impossible, you can work to live with it, which I'm told shouldn't be expected of you, or you can die...I just want to make it fully clear that "die" is meant to mean bodaciously anything that isn't the other two. It's primary definition came from a fact that, in most cases, not doing the either two, as in nothing, meant you succumbed to the problem and most likely died. The "die" in this case is you bodaciously just do nothing about it, and since it's not really that fatal an issue you just go about your business...letting the problem run your life. I am in no way, shape, or form advocating suicide...at all.

The thing you have to remember, though, is that you're not the only living organism on this planet, and as evident by the fact that this topic exists, those other organisms don't want to deal with it any more than you do. You then become that unpleasant thing causing them to choose between move, adapt, or die.